A 14-year-old Columbus, Ohio boy shot himself in the hand in a gun accident today. He later told police he was handling “his handgun” when he accidentally shot himself. The boy’s mother was inside the house sleeping when the incident took place. In Ohio, a person must be over 21 to purchase a handgun, but …
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TUESDAY, AUGUST 11, 2020
In Ottumwa, Iowa, Brian Rainey, an off-duty deputy sheriff for the Mahaska County Sheriff’s Office was shot and killed in a gun accident. Authorities say he was shot in the torso. According to the Ottumwa police, the shooting was accidental. They have not said who fired the gun that killed Rainey. Other details of the …
MONDAY, AUGUST 10, 2020
A four-year old Gary, Indiana girl found a gun at 5:00 AM this morning and shot herself in the foot. She is hospitalized in stable condition. Police are investigating the incident as a gun accident and no arrests have been made. Source: David Struett, “Unattended 4-year-old Shoots Self in Foot in Gary: Police,” Chicago Sun …
WEDNESDAY, JULY 22, 2020
In Idaho Falls, Idaho, a teenager accidentally shot and injured himself with a gun he found in a local canal. The Sheriff’s Office says a 16-year-old and 14-year-old were handling a gun when it accidentally fired, hitting the 14-year old. He was taken to a local hospital with non-life threatening injuries. A statement issued by …
FRIDAY, JULY 17, 2020
In a continuing pandemic of gun violence in Chicago, 11 people were killed and 59 were injured in gun violence this weekend. One of the victims shot himself in the head, in an apparent gun accident, as he was showing off his gun via social media. The 25-year old is in “grave” condition at a …
FRIDAY, JULY 10, 2020
In Anderson County, South Carolina, a woman who was legally carrying a firearm shot herself in the hip as she was entering the Dollar General store. According to the Sheriff’s office, the gun accidentally discharged while inside her purse. The woman was the only one injured in the accident. She was flown to the hospital …
WEDNESDAY, JULY 8, 2020
A ten-year old boy is in stable condition after an accidental shooting in Brooklyn, New York. He and another boy were playing with a gun when it went off. There is no additional information available. This gun accident may have been largely ignored in the press in light of a long violent holiday weekend in …
THURSDAY, JULY 2, 2020
In Hendersonville, Tennessee John Robert Moore, a two-year old boy, found an unattended loaded handgun in his father’s car and shot himself. His father was a volunteer firefighter and the two were visiting the Shackle Island fire station at the time of the accident. “Everybody loved that little boy,” said Martin Bowers, fire chief for …
TUESDAY, JUNE 23, 2020
An armed security guard accidentally shot another guard in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania today. According to the report, he was getting into a car when his gun discharged. The guard who was wounded was taken to a hospital in stable condition. Authorities said the shooting was accidental and that no charges were expected to be filed. Source: …
THURSDAY, JUNE 18, 2020
One-year old Javion Sexton of South Bend, Indiana was shot and killed today by his four-year old brother, according to the County Prosecutor’s office. “An autopsy conducted Friday found the cause of death to be a gunshot wound and the manner of death to be accidental,” the office said. Javion’s obituary states, he “liked being …
TUESDAY, JUNE 16, 2020
A 16-year old Houston, Texas teenager was killed when a gun accidentally fired while in his pocket. The boy was playing basketball with friends when he went indoors to rest. The gun went off when he slapped his leg. According to a Houston police officer, “[s]omehow that juvenile was shot and he has passed away …
FRIDAY, JUNE 12, 2020
Two young boys were shot today in separate gun accidents. A teenage boy accidentally shot himself in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Police are investigating. The boy is at a local hospital in unknown condition. In Covington County, Alabama, a “juvenile” was shot and flown to a Florida hospital in stable condition after playing with a gun he …
THURSDAY, JUNE 11, 2020
At least two men accidentally shot themselves in separate gun accidents today in Richmond, Virginia. The two incidents are part of a report about five separate shootings within an hour in that city. In all, six people were shot, including a teenager and a toddler. None of the five incidents involved a gun being used …
SATURDAY, JUNE 6, 2020
In Ogden Utah, a woman was shot in both legs in yet another shooting range accident. The bullet nicked an artery and her injuries will require surgery. A police sergeant said, “[a]n adult male set his gun down and forgot it was loaded. He went to open it up to take it apart, and the …
FRIDAY, JUNE 5, 2020
Across the country, serious accidents are occurring when police and national guard troops fire supposedly “less lethal” forms of ammunition at demonstrators, including rubber bullets and pellet bag rounds (fired from shotguns). Not only are peaceful demonstrators being hit and seriously injured, but also rounds are being fired indiscriminately at people who have committed no …
THURSDAY, JUNE 4, 2020
In Bad Axe, Michigan, a man was shot in the shoulder inside his home by one of two men practicing with a 9-mm handgun. The round passed through the woods and through a wall of a neighboring house, striking the 49-year-old male resident in his shoulder, according to the sheriff. After being shot, the wounded …
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 3, 2020
11-year old Cash Cover of Kamas, Utah, apparently found a gun in his home. Although details of the incident are scarce, he shot himself in the chest and later died of his wounds. Cash “lost his life in a tragic accident involving a gun,” the family said in a statement. “Our hearts are broken, and …
TUESDAY, JUNE 2, 2020
At the Mass Firearms School in Holliston, Massachusetts, a 70-year old man was shot in the abdomen today. He was taken by medical rescue helicopter to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead. Though the County prosecutor released few details, available information suggested an accidental self-inflicted shooting. No foul play is suspected and no …
WEDNESDAY, MAY 27, 2020
In Las Vegas, Nevada, a woman was shot and killed at an apartment complex when she and a man dropped a gun that they were looking at. According to police, the man said “that he and the woman both grabbed for the gun when it fell, and it accidentally went off, striking the woman.” A …
SUNDAY, MAY 24, 2020
In Morris, Alabama, a five-year old boy found a gun in his home and shot himself in the face. He later died of his wound. “It’s just a tragic accident it appears,” the Morris police chief said. The police will present findings to the District Attorney’s office on Monday. In Portland, North Dakota, a newspaper …
THURSDAY, MAY 21, 2020
In Allen County, Indiana a man shooting at a varmint accidentally struck his neighbor. Although both parties agree that the shooting was an accident, the neighbor is in serious condition at a local hospital. Source: Kayla Crandall, “County Police: Man Accidentally Shoots Neighbor,” WPTA21.com (May 21, 2020).
WEDNESDAY, MAY 13, 2020
A Columbus, Ohio man was transported by MedFlight helicopter today after being accidentally shot while standing in the parking lot of a Logan County shooting range. According to the report, “the incident occurred when, ‘an out-of-town member was placing a gun back into the gun case, and it discharged, hitting another out-of-town member in the upper right leg.’” …
WEDNESDAY, MAY 6, 2020
In Putnam County, Florida, a Sheriff’s deputy accidentally shot himself in the leg while attempting to fend off an attacking dog. He was hospitalized, but is expected to recover. According to a spokesperson for the Sheriff’s office, “the dog ran after the deputy, and before he could back out of the yard, the dog charged …
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THURSDAY, APRIL 23, 2020
Three children and an adult were killed in gun accidents today. The adult was shot to death by his two-year old child. Each of the news stories marking these deaths was brief: In Ooltewah, Tennessee, Jermaine Vincent, a three-year old, found a gun that a family friend had brought to his home and fatally shot …
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 15, 2020
In Edinburgh, Indiana, a police officer who was cleaning a personal weapon accidentally shot his wife in the leg. According to investigators, he did not know that there was a round in the chamber. The woman is in stable condition at a hospital in Indianapolis. Officers are trained to be careful when cleaning their weapons …
SUNDAY, APRIL 12, 2020
In Colonie, New York, Denzel Grimes, a 29-year old man, accidentally shot and killed himself in a hotel with a 9-mm pistol. The gun apparently discharged and struck Mr. Grimes in the groin. He later died of the wound. Police identified Grimes’s gun as a “Jennings/Bryco Arms, Model 59,” a type of cheap handgun that …
SATURDAY, MARCH 28, 2020
In Lincoln, Nebraska, a thirty-year old man was treated at the hospital after suffering a wound while target shooting with a 9-mm handgun. According to authorities, a bullet ricocheted after hitting a steel target and a fragment of the round hit the man in the leg. No charges will be filed. Source: Lori Pilger, “Lincoln …
THURSDAY, MARCH 26, 2020
On Thursday night, 20-year old Zion Lofton shot and killed his twin brother Zain in their home in Indianapolis, Indiana. Zion accidentally fired a shot into the floor in his upstairs bedroom and the bullet struck his brother who was downstairs at the time. The police concluded that the shooting was an accident. Zion accepted …
MONDAY, MARCH 23, 2020
The Augusta, Georgia sheriff’s office mobilized units to look for a suspect when an individual was shot in the leg on a city street on Monday afternoon. Investigators later concluded that the shooting was accidental. No charges are pending. The report does not discuss whether the resources used to investigate the incident can be recovered …
SATURDAY, MARCH 14, 2020
In Saint Charles, Missouri, a man accidentally shot himself in the leg outside a gun and knife show at the Convention Center. On a day when Americans were asked to remain at home by medical professionals to prevent the spread of the CoronaVirus, medical crews responded to the accident and transported the man to a …
THURSDAY, MARCH 12, 2020
In Laurinburg, North Carolina, a 27-year old man accidentally shot himself outside a Golden Corral restaurant. According to police, the man, who has a concealed-carry permit, “had been trying to take the gun out of [his] holster to put away before going into the restaurant when the gun went off.” The report did not disclose …
SATURDAY, MARCH 7, 2020
After accidentally shooting a woman in Paris, Tennessee, the shooter apparently took his own life. After the accident, the shooter accompanied the woman to the hospital. She was admitted and is in stable condition. The man went missing and then shot himself in the hospital’s emergency medical services building. “We have no indication that it …
FRIDAY, MARCH 6, 2020
In another accident involving a police officer, this time in Detroit Michigan, an officer shot herself at police headquarters. She was taken to the hospital where she was listed in serious condition. Compared to most American gun owners, police officers undergo significant firearm safety training. Even with training, accidents frequently occur. Police, for their own …
MONDAY, MARCH 2, 2020
Ashley James, a 19-year old who recently starred on the Green Run High School basketball team in Chesapeake, Virginia, was shot and killed today in an accidental shooting. He and another teen were handling a gun when it went off. James received emergency care, but died from his wound. No further information about the nature …
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 2020
In Brooksville, Florida, an unidentified man accidentally shot and killed himself while playing with a gun. He was waiting for a haircut at the time. The sheriff’s office called the incident a “horrible accident.” The make and model of the gun that accidentally fired was not released. Source: Associated Press, “Florida Man Waiting for Haircut …
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2020
In Bryan, Texas, two police officers were injured when a gun “accidentally went off” at the police station. Both officers were taken to the hospital, treated and released. A release issued by the Bryan police department says that an administrative review of policies, procedures, and training will take place to determine what can be done …
SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 2020
In Dunmor, Kentucky, a 15-year old boy was killed when a firearm accidentally discharged while he was target shooting with a friend and his friend’s mother on their property. The Kentucky State Police investigated and concluded: “it was an accidental discharge. Detectives are working to determine exactly how the incident happened. No one has been …
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 2020
A student at Henley High School in Klamath County, Oregon was hospitalized after an accidental shooting in the school parking lot. According to reports, two students were moving a gun from one car to another after shooting together when the gun went off, hitting one of the students in the hand. Source: Anna Weeks, “Accidental …
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2020
The Police Chief in Magnolia, Arkansas, Todd Dew, was accidentally shot by a fellow officer while attempting to serve a warrant on a man who had violated the terms of his probation. According to a statement, the officers were entering a home when the gun went off and struck the Chief in the back. Chief …
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 2020
In Tampa, Florida, 17-year old Ivan Johnson died today after being shot with a BB fired from a pellet gun by an eight-year old friend while they were waiting for the younger boy’s father in the father’s car. The BB struck Ivan in the eye. He was taken to a hospital before dying three days …
SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 8, 2020
In Dayton, Ohio, a 9-mm pistol accidentally fired when a man and his his grandfather were inspecting it. The man was shot in the foot and taken to the hospital. His name and condition were not released. Source: Nevin Smith, “Man Shoots His Foot, Medics Respond,” Dayton Now (February 8, 2020).
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 6, 2020
20-year old Betty Spado of Pendleton, South Carolina died after being shot when a gun discharged inside her apartment. Her boyfriend and two other men were handling guns while visiting when one of the guns went off. The coroner ruled her death an accident. Source: Live 5 Web Staff, “S.C. Woman Killed After Gun Misfires …
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 2020
A 15-year old boy was injured in Fannett, Texas when a dog jumped into his four-wheel UTV and discharged his .22 caliber rifle by knocking it over. The gun fired one round into the boy’s stomach. According to reports, this was the third accidental shooting involving a Southeast Texas teenager in less than 60 days. …
SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 1, 2020
In Hinckley, Ohio, 13-year old Max Muzyczka, an eighth grader, was shot to death. Police reported that “the initial investigation indicates this was sadly a tragic accident.” Authorities declined to release additional information about the incident out of respect for the the boy’s family. According to a statement issued by the school district, “Max was …
FRIDAY, JANUARY 31, 2020
Three-year old Keegan Vasquez shot himself in the face with a .25 caliber pistol he found on a TV stand in his great-grandmother’s home. The Callaghan County, Texas boy was taken to a hospital in Fort Worth, where he later died. The boy’s great-grandmother said that she had forgotten that the gun was there. The …
SATURDAY, JANUARY 25, 2020
3-year old Amir Antoine of Baton Rouge, Louisiana shot and killed himself Saturday morning in his home. He was handling a gun and accidentally pulled the trigger. This was the second accidental shooting in the Antoine home in the last four years. In 2016, 17-year-old Ahmad Antoine was charged with negligent homicide after he accidentally …
THURSDAY, JANUARY 23, 2020
In Prestonburg, Kentucky, a messenger for an armored car service was shot when his gun accidentally discharged while he was making a drop at a Big Lots store in a strip mall. “His weapon became lodged between himself and items he was carrying,” according to Prestonburg police detective Ross Shurtleff. “While it was lodged between …
TUESDAY, JANUARY 21, 2020
According to authorities, a 17-year old Charlestown, West Virginia teen shot himself in the arm today while cleaning his gun. No charges will be filed. Source: Bailey Pace, “Teen Accidentally Shoots Himself According to Sheriff Dept.,” WVVA (January 21, 2020).
SUNDAY, JANUARY 19, 2020
In Bloomington, Indiana, both four-year old Tripp Shaw and his father, Tyler, were shot in the head after the father’s gun accidentally discharged. After several days in the hospital, Tripp died of his wounds. His father was expected to recover. According to authorities, the father and son were play-wrestling on a bed when a gun …
THURSDAY, JANUARY 16, 2020
Providence, Rhode Island police found 22-year old Edward Rodriquez in a hallway in his apartment building at 16 What Cheer Avenue, without pants, with a gunshot wound to his scrotum. Martinez said that he had been handling a gun on his bed when it fired. According to police, no charges will be filed. Mr. Martinez …
MONDAY, JANUARY 6, 2020
A 20 year-old Rio Communities, New Mexico man was airlifted to the hospital after suffering injuries from a close range shotgun blast in his own home. The round was fired by the man’s 12-year old brother. The shooting was found to be “negligent/accidental in nature.” The New Mexico Children, Youth and Families Department was notified. …
SUNDAY, JANUARY 5, 2020
Gringo Tacos + Burgers Restaurant In St. Louis, Missouri closed early on Sunday after an employee of the restaurant accidentally shot and killed himself while changing clothes in the bathroom. Police said the shooting is not suspicious. It is unclear whether the restaurant prohibited guns on the premises. Employees declined to comment, stating that the …
SATURDAY, JANUARY 4, 2020
An Anderson County, South Carolina man accidentally shot himself in the lower leg while unloading his handgun in the parking lot outside a gun show. The show does not allow loaded guns on the premises. The man was taken to the hospital for treatment. Source: Grant Garland, “Man Accidentally Shoots Himself at Gun Show in …
FRIDAY, JANUARY 3, 2020
The South Carolina Department of Natural Resources reported today that there were 11 hunting accidents across the state in 2019, including two that resulted in deaths. The year 2020, however, started badly when hunter Kim Drawdy and his 9-year old daughter were mistaken for deer on New Years day and accidentally shot by other hunters. …
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 31, 2019
In Savannah Tennessee, 86-year old Lawrence Smith accidentally shot himself in the leg while sitting in his car outside a gun store. Police administered aid, but Mr. Smith later died of his wound at the hospital. Source: Eyewitness New Staff, “Police: Man Dies Following Accidental Shooting,” WBBJ 7 Eyewitness News (December 31, 2019).
MONDAY, DECEMBER 30, 2019
18-year old Jacarie Mozell accidentally shot and injured himself in Ocala, Florida today. According to witnesses, Mr. Mozell was putting a gun in his waistband when it discharged. At the time of the report, Mr. Mozell was recovering at a local hospital. Source: Austin L. Miller, “Ocala PD: Injured Man Apparently Shot Himself,” Ocala Star …
SUNDAY, DECEMBER 29, 2019
A 13-year old boy was killed in Tulsa, Oklahoma while passing around a gun with his friends. The wound was self-inflicted. The gun belonged to the parents of the boy who was shot. Police say the magazine was removed, but that there was a bullet in the chamber. “Parents do not educate their children enough …
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 27, 2019
At the Fashion Square Mall in Saginaw Township, Michigan, a 29-year old man accidentally shot himself in the leg. According to police, the man was shopping at Victoria’s Secret. When he went to put his wallet in his back pocket, his pistol discharged. Source: Michael Percha, “Accidental Shooting at Fashion Square Mall Injures One” NewsRadio …
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 26, 2019
A Florence, Alabama man accidentally shot himself in the parking lot of a sporting goods store. At the time of the shooting, he was on his way to buy a holster. After the man, who was not identified, was airlifted to a hospital in Huntsville, police said he had lost a lot of blood but …
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 24, 2019
Less than two weeks after 15-year old Bradley Hulett was accidentally shot to death (see entry for December 12, 2019), another Tampa, Florida area teen was shot and killed in a gun accident. 13-year old Steven McQueen was accidentally shot and killed by a sibling. Comments on the newspaper’s Facebook page include the following: Alfred …
SUNDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2019
A man participating in target practice with family and friends was accidentally shot in the leg when another participant attempted to fix a malfunctioning weapon. The Free Soil Township, Michigan man, Jason Eric Schenkel, is expected to survive. According to the report, the gun owner was attempting to fix the malfunction on the hood of …
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 20, 2019
A Davie, Florida police officer shot himself in the hand while attempting to shoot at a dog that was charging at him. The dog was grazed by the bullet and is said to be OK. Source: “Davie Officer Shoots Himself While Attempting to Shoot Charging Dog,” 7 News Miami (December 20, 2019).
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 19, 2019
In Philadelphia, PA, a 3-year old boy shot himself in the hand after he grabbed a gun when his father opened a gun safe. He was recovering at the hospital. Source: Dan Stamm, “Child Shoots Self After Grabbing Gun from Father, Police Say,” 10 Philadelphia (December 19, 2019).
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 18, 2019
A Harwich, Massachusetts police chief appealed a court decision that restored Jeffrey Gomes’ Massachusetts license to carry a firearm. The license had been restored by the Court even though Gomes had accidentally fired his gun while holstering it during Harwich’s Pilgrim Masonic Lodge corned beef dinner. The bullet passed through the floor of the lodge …
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17, 2019
A 15-year old Jasper, Georgia boy was struck by shrapnel at a Walmart when Pickens County Sheriff Donnie Craig’s pistol accidentally discharged during a “Shop with the Sheriff” event at the store. The boy’s injuries were minor. According to the Sheriff’s office, the gun was in the sheriff’s waistband went it went off. The bullet …
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10, 2019
A benefit was held today in Alexandria, Louisiana for a 20-year old man who has had nearly a dozen surgeries after accidentally shooting himself in the face. Christian Collister was replacing a part on his Glock in his car when it accidentally fired. He tells the story like this: “So to take apart Glocks, you …
MONDAY DECEMBER 9, 2019
The Associated Press reported that it had gathered reports of 1,422 unintentional gun discharges by police since 2012 at 258 different law enforcement agencies. It called its information gathering a “snapshot” of the problem because there are no reporting requirements for such incidents. The reports document all incidents in which a gun went off when …
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2019
A Waycross, Georgia police officer was suspended for 84 hours after he accidentally discharged his gun inside his apartment. The fired round passed through an apartment wall into the living room of his next door neighbor and then through two additional walls in that apartment. Two children were playing in the living room at the …
MONDAY, DECEMBER 2, 2019
Daniel Sanabria, a 3-year-old in Cape Coral, Florida was shot today by an older sibling. Daniel was taken to the hospital in critical condition. According to reports, the gun used had been locked in a gun safe. The shooting has been ruled accidental. No charges will be filed. Source: Kyra Shportun, Taylor Crehan & Emma …
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 30, 2019
Jaeden Livingston, a 14 year-old Abilene, Texas boy, died at Cook’s Children Medical Center today after accidentally shooting himself at a friend’s home on Friday night. He and two boys found a gun in the home and were passing it around, believing it to be unloaded. Jaeden’s mother later said, “I explained about the dangers …
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 2019
In Memphis Tennessee, no charges were filed after a 11-year old boy found a gun in a cousin’s apartment when no adults were home. He accidentally shot and killed himself. The boy found the gun in a holster under the mattress in a room that he was told was off limits to him. The gun’s …
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 28, 2019
Colton Williams, of Williston, South Carolina was accidentally shot and killed by his father while rabbit hunting on Thanksgiving Day. He was a fourth grade student at Kelly Edwards Elementary School. In a Facebook post, his school said: It is with great sadness that we share news of the passing of one of our beloved …
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2019
In a hunting accident in Lonoke County, Arkansas, a 13-year old boy underwent surgery after he was shot in the arm while handing his stepmother a gun as she was getting into a deer stand. Trey Reid, a spokesperson for the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission said, “[i]ts disappointing. Folks weren’t following the proper safety …
SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 2019
In Evansville, Indiana, Police responded to a call about a woman shooting her husband. Upon arrival at the scene, they learned that the man had been hit, not by a bullet, but rather by a piece of a gun that had exploded. Both husband and wife received treatment at the scene. Deputies determined that the …
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 2019
The Meadville Tribune in Meadville, Pennsylvania reported today that 19-year old Jacob S. Smith accidentally shot himself to death in a hunting accident. According to the local coroner, “Smith was removing items from a hunting sled when his shotgun accidentally went off with shotgun pellets striking Smith in the abdomen.” Smith was a sophomore majoring …
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2019
In Tulsa Oklahoma, a woman was shot in the leg and hospitalized after a gun was accidentally fired by her neighbor in the apartment next door. The bullet passed through the wall between the apartments, through the woman’s leg, and continued on into the woman’s living room. The police determined that the incident was a …
SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 2019
In Raleigh, North Carolina, at the Wake County Firearms and Education Training Center, a firearms instructor accidentally shot himself in the leg while holstering his gun. He was taken to a local hospital. His injuries were not considered life threatening. According to the Wake County Sheriff, “The Wake County Firearms Education and Training Center was …
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2019
Kylee Dawn Woods of Pickens County South Carolina, age 11, was shot and killed when her father attempted to eject a round from his .40 caliber handgun. According to a news report, Woods’ father “told police he had ejected the magazine and did not pull the trigger. He told deputies he does not know what …